Project Phoenix

[Master Chief]

I am talking about CFM, and my assumptions are based on the BEST case Cenario, wich usualy it never is.
That means, that in Real life, EVEN more the 43PSI's of boost would be needed to reach those 640HP at 7800RPM on a 1809L engine, or higher RPM.
BTW: this has nothing to do with secret aspects of the built - Those secret can only help the engine get closer to its full potential (Best case cenario).

In other words, There is no way for a 1809L engine, to produce 640HP, at 7800RPM @ 2.1 BARS, unless its using some kind of other then PETROL fuel.
Its either higher boost, or higher RPM, or some Hi Enregy burning fuel (like JET or Alcohol etc.) , or some enormous Compresion Ratio.

Even if iam off here, i am not off by much.

Sorry to go on about this, im just curious.

[bigtone]

we used VP race fuel (this is NOT Jet or Alcohol fuel) we did not run the
car over 2.1 bar of boost and only took it to 7800rpm

[jatpoolsx]

Very nice project, a good read. Looking foward to see how the project goes

[30psi]

There is no way for a 1809L engine, to produce 640HP, at 7800RPM @ 2.1 BARS, unless its using some kind of other then PETROL fuel

By putting a turbo on a car you are increasing the flow it can take.

EG a 1.8 running 1 bar (2 bar absolute) of boost is flowing the same air as a 3.6.

Tones 1853cc running 2.1 bar is the equivalent of 5,744cc normally aspirated flow. Therefore the power fig's stand to reason in my opinion.

[ian_t]

you can get 200bhp out of a NA 5.5 litre engine or you can get 600bhp out of a NA 5.5 litre engine neither run boost so obviously the guy with 600bhp is lying LOL

[Coupe]

I am talking about CFM, and my assumptions are based on the BEST case Cenario, wich usualy it never is.
That means, that in Real life, EVEN more the 43PSI's of boost would be needed to reach those 640HP at 7800RPM on a 1809L engine, or higher RPM.
BTW: this has nothing to do with secret aspects of the built - Those secret can only help the engine get closer to its full potential (Best case cenario).

In other words, There is no way for a 1809L engine, to produce 640HP, at 7800RPM @ 2.1 BARS, unless its using some kind of other then PETROL fuel.
Its either higher boost, or higher RPM, or some Hi Enregy burning fuel (like JET or Alcohol etc.) , or some enormous Compresion Ratio.

Even if iam off here, i am not off by much.

Sorry to go on about this, im just curious.

The point is, it IS running 2.1 bar (several people have stated), it is 1809cc (what would be the point in saying it was, if it wasn't?), and it HAS produced 633bhp. I don't know any of these guys personally, but I believe everything they are saying. As someone else has said, ask Simon Norris how he did it (although I doubt he'd tell you).....

And at the end of the day, this WILL be a 633bhp S13 so who cares about how much CFM they need - they've already achieved it.

[cHiL]

Great to see you back on track Tone This ones obviously gonna be alot better than the last Go on, tell us what colour it's gonna be.. Can't wait to see it on the track at Castle Coombe

[cHiL]

Thing is, you'll be pretty much all alone out there!

[shogun]

Splendid Tone.
I was wondering what happened with your project.
Good that you are up again.

[Nismo_Freak]

I am talking about CFM, and my assumptions are based on the BEST case Cenario, wich usualy it never is.
That means, that in Real life, EVEN more the 43PSI's of boost would be needed to reach those 640HP at 7800RPM on a 1809L engine, or higher RPM.
BTW: this has nothing to do with secret aspects of the built - Those secret can only help the engine get closer to its full potential (Best case cenario).

In other words, There is no way for a 1809L engine, to produce 640HP, at 7800RPM @ 2.1 BARS, unless its using some kind of other then PETROL fuel.
Its either higher boost, or higher RPM, or some Hi Enregy burning fuel (like JET or Alcohol etc.) , or some enormous Compresion Ratio.

Well the arguement ends in that he did make that power so he is flowing that amount.

You aren't accounting for density.

[Beezy]

SWEET!! Iv been waiting for this car to be posted up, Simon norris's mechanic (the one flicking the finger) was tellin me about it when i got my lifters changed! Nice stuff though m8, Whats the plans now then?

[Jezz_S13]

2.1bar boost is in realilty 3.1bar absolute pressure after you've added the 1 bar atmospheric pressure, and therefore is 44.9psi absolute.

The chef is correct, probably.


Oh, and welcome back bigman.

[JDK]

, I wish I had that much time and money

looking forward to seeing the finished product

[Master Chief]

Ok guys, you got me all wrong.
Iam not doughting for a second, the RR Results, nor am i suggesting that anyone is lying. I just want to understad HOW !

Anyway since i dont think its fair to go on hijacking this Topic, i opend a topic in the GENERAL 200SX Related Chat section, to continue this discussion to whomever is iterested.

http://www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread...90#post3063590

Again, amazing project, thumbs up !!!

[Chris]

You aren't accounting for density.

Quite correct Bigtone is well known for his high density level

[slider91]

looking good tone cant wait to see the finished article

[Neal]

You bastard lunatics!

Great work

[Nismo_Freak]

Quite correct Bigtone is well known for his high density level

I suppose he should avoid swimming then

[VIDAL BABBOON]

Come on then bum boy, you got any further with it yet ?

[bigtone]

Come on then bum boy, you got any further with it yet ?

cant do a lot untill she is back from the body shop mate
(should be back very soon )